Can someone explain to me how consent to sex isn’t consent to pregnancy? What else do you expect from having unprotected sex? The only 2 outcomes of sex are pregnancy or failure to conceive. Nothing else.
Also, there’s a difference between being pressured into something and rape. Huge difference…
Honestly, with all the cases of rape and people victim blaming because its not always going to be a clear case of rape, how is there going to be screening? A person says they are raped, but there is no physical proof then they should go through with the pregnancy and give birth. We should just victimize them again, which is basically what this would do.
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy because:
1) People do take precautions(birth control). To assume someone got pregnant because they were being unsafe is to denounce all those accidental pregnancies. Even if they didn’t use protection, they should still have a choice on what they decide to do. Its not up to you to decide what a pregnant person decides to do with their pregnancy.
2) Sex isn’t for procreation only, which is why the argument comes into play. Not everyone decides to have sex just to have children. Sex is stress reliving, intimate, and a pleasurable experience (if consensual).
You hear all this about “woe is the woman” because she has to carry the baby. What about the father? What if he wants the baby? Does he not get a say? I sure as hell have never heard anyone ask the dad if he want it. Biologically it’s 50% his.
And rarely have I heard of a case in which, legally the victim was blamed in a rape case. RARELY. Sure maybe people on the street say it, fuck them. What matters is legally. The rapist 99% is found guilty and thrown in jail.
And I am quite aware of sex being a pleasurable thing. But, as we learn in Highschool, and middle school, what is the only fool proof way to not get pregnant? Say it with me class! “The only fool proof way to prevent pregnancy is to stay sexually abstinent.” I’m sure you are quite aware of this. You don’t need a 16 year old explaining this to you. No matter what precautions you take, there is ALWAYS a risk of pregnancy if you have sex even once.
I can only assume you’re a troll due to how stereotypical you are, but let’s assume you’re totally naive instead.
The mother, not the father, has to go through hours of pain, before which there’s nine months of sickness, more pain, and medical problems (including but not limited to anemia, depression, diabetes, high blood pressure, and preeclampsia). Until the father’s life is literally put in danger, it’s the mother’s choice, not his.
The rapist is actually found guilt three percent of the time. Not 99%. 3%. Total.
And you know what? I don’t need a sixteen year old boy telling me when to have sex or not. If my birth control (which is 99% effective, since I use it correctly) and condom usage (98%, since I use them correctly and every time I have sex) both fail me, why should I subject myself to at least nine months if not longer of health problems just because somebody else donated their baby batter?
I had a conversation with my husband when we first got together that went something like this:
"Honey, if I get pregnant I am warning you right now, there will be an abortion happening and you will have absolutely no say in it. I never want kids, and I especially never want to suffer through a pregnancy."
His response was a very mature, “Hey, I’m not the one that has to carry it around for nine months and put my life at risk. Your call, babe.”
At least you guys agreed! I’m glad that he was complient. I’m just stating my opinion on how things should go. We are all entitled to them.
Yeahhh except that your opinion negates the legal concept of bodily autonomy. Just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean it’s valid and based on legal and scientific fact. I could have the opinion that in order to be President of the United States, one must first sacrifice a chicken to the Dark Lord Cthulu. Doesn’t mean I’d be correct.
Bodily autonomy is a thing that basically states that you can’t force anyone to do anything involving their body.
So you can’t force someone to donate blood or an organ (you can’t even force people to sign up to be organ donors because of bodily autonomy - if a corpse has the right to bodily autonomy, so does a pregnant person). You can’t force someone to undergo a medical procedure. You can’t force someone to NOT undergo a medical procedure. Basically, the concept of bodily autonomy means that your body is yours to do with as you please. This is, at current time, the law of the land, and for good reason.
So while I agree that in a perfect world, a cisman and a ciswoman who have gotten busy with the end result of pregnancy should have a conversation and each person should weigh in on the topic, ultimately, the final decision will always come down to the ciswoman and what she feels she wants to do.
Even so, this world isn’t perfect and that’s not always possible — sometimes it’s a one-night stand and she has no means of contacting the paternal parent, sometimes it was a rape, sometimes the two parties had a really terrible breakup, sometimes one party is outright abusive. Sometimes it’s not even about not wanting to be pregnant — sometimes it’s just about the physical and mental health of the person carrying the fetus. (Even if I wanted to get pregnant, I have a fairly unique set of physical issues that would, at current time, necessitate an abortion.) It will always be the ciswoman’s choice. Always.
Because bodily autonomy. She will be carrying the baby for nine months and putting her life at risk. Her body chemistry will be permanently altered. She will have a fuckton of medical procedures performed on her and may wind up having to be cut into to deliver. She will have to foot the medical bills (assuming that her and unidentified cismale above are not married). She will have to deal with the morning sickness, swollen feet, high blood pressure, back pain, and inability to sleep for four months. She may lose her job if she’s in the US, because while FMLA technically prevents employers from firing women for taking maternity leave, no one fucking enforces it. She may face ostracism from family members or friends; she may face rape from people who assume that because she’s a single pregnant woman, she’s a slut and they have the right to take from her what isn’t freely given.
All the cisman did was pump a few times and ejaculate. No effort whatsoever, and no bodily autonomy will be violated in the case of an abortion because once the sperm leaves the body it is no longer a part of your body.
She gets final say.